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Post by Talau on Oct 25, 2005 2:16:23 GMT -5
Talau shook her head slightly. That hadn't been what she had ment when she brought the holocron up.....she had ment it as a way to combat the possible dangers of the training.....
She thought over what he said as well...but she liked this idea even less than Kross'......the Fox was deadly, yes....but at what cost to the Order? Sana wasn't himself when Balagare was there.....this could proove more hazardous than not if used by those less....strong minded....than Sana.
Sighing at the thought, she turned her attention back to the room, which seemed to hold a heavy tension as the various members, and attendants, thought over the situation. Suddenly a thought came to her mind....a very large question...one that involved the very future of the Order.....
Slowly she put down her hood so she could look the members of the council in the eyes clearly. There was one question they had not considered.....
[glow=9999ff,2,300]What of the younglings and padawans?[/glow] Even though this was the only thing she said....the question conveighed everything she needed to ask.....How were the younglings going to be kept safe? Where? Who would protect them while the others fought? Should the Padawans be allowed to train with their masters when they were not even strong enough in the light yet?.....and so much more.
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Post by AG on Oct 25, 2005 2:23:27 GMT -5
Moroku listened to everyone in turn. First to Sanariel and Talau. It was true that the two had become very good friends. He could tell by the amount of time they spent together, and Moroku was happy that his former Padawan, in many ways his son, had found close friendship with others. He trusted them both for they knew the dangers of attachment.
Sanariel was correct in saying that Moroku had not formed a concise plan, but planning is not the Jedi way. A Jedi is trained to be One with the Force, to know things as the Force knows it. The union with the Force makes a Jedi a part of it, hence becoming a part of everything around him or her, knowing about everything that was, that is, and that will be. A Jedi does not need to plan. Planning is the equivalent of trying. Do, or do not. There is no try.
Talau was the next to speak. In that moment, she reminded Moroku of Obi Wan Kenobi, negotiating with both sides of the argument and trying to find a way in between, a way to satisfy both of them. This talent was what gave Obi Wan the nickname of "The Negotiator." Talau had also become very wise and learned from her experiences in the past. She deserved to be a Master just as anyone else here.
Roth was the next to speak, and Moroku listened as he recalled one of his journeys around the galaxy, but there was something wrong with what he was saying. Terribly wrong, and it would result into far worst consequences than he could imagine.
[shadow=green,left,000]You are right, Sana. A plan is not something I came up with, but a Jedi does not need to plan things out when the Force acts as his guide. I stand by what I said earlier, and I suggest we take a tactic of Passive Resistance. It is the True Sith's hatred which will be their undoing. Their will to destroy will be unimaginable, surely, but if they can't destroy us? Roth, you should also listen to this as it regards your comment. A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defence, never for attack. Learning the ways of the Dark Side will not make us Jedi any longer, for we will have the will to attack, we will want to attack them. Violence only generates more violence. We will be feeding Lorthias with what he wants, rendering him invincible. He cannot be defeated in his own game. What I suggest is that we meet them, let him see us, and let him attack, but we will never strike back. We will only defend ourselves.[/shadow]
Kross took his turn quickly after Talau. Moroku was glad he appreciated his point of view, but he was wrong in saying that he was suggesting not acting at all. Lorthias had much hate in him as Moroku imagined, and it is this that Moroku believes will be the Jedi's trump card.
[shadow=green,left,000]Yes, Kross. Lorthias is practically hatred in its physical form. That is what will be his undoing. He will attack us, but when he meets us, we will only defend. Seeing how he cannot destroy us, his hatred will burn so strong that it will render him down to ashes. He will fall into his own trap. He wants to destroy us, but he won't be able to. That is what wil ultimately bring him down. You say that it is neccessary to learn the ways of the Dark Side to counter the True Sith. Luke Skywalker may have known the powers of Darkness before, but after turning back to the Jedi, he renounced using them because he knew they would bring him nothing. As I said before, Violence generates violence, That is the Dark Side. We cannot beat down violence with it, and that is why I am suggesting to meet Lorthias and only defend. We will be a concrete wall when he shall ram onto us.[/shadow]
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Post by KRoSS on Oct 25, 2005 10:12:46 GMT -5
OOC: Just a heads up,when font is italicized usually its thinking,or sending someone else a message. Basically its any speech that isn't verbal,if that makes sense.
IC:Kross was getting very frustrated. How could the Jedi be so blind? This Jedi Master, Moroku, seemed as if he wanted Lorthias to just come and kill them all. He spoke as if defending against Lorthias would destroy him, how could a Jedi defend against Lorthias's strength and speed when the Ninjaii were slaughtered by him?
"I told you,the Jedi are nothing but slow,pathetic fools. All they do is talk. Heh, there own leader doesn't even bother to show up. You were right for wanting to destroy them."
The voice said,trying to goad Kross on. Kross replied with a lie,trying not to let the voice get the best of him.
[glow=white,2,300][shadow=dark,left,300]"No,your wrong...The Jedi are right in discussing this matter thoroughly. Perhaps Moroku is right..."[/shadow][/glow]
"HA! Don't you remember Kross? I can read your thoughts. Do I have to play them back for you,to remember what you just said in your mind?"
Kross realizing he had been found out,he reluctantly agreed.
[glow=white,2,300][shadow=dark,left,300]"...No its not necessary. These Jedi...They act in such a strange way, its nothing that I am accustomed too. They let even there youngest students participate in these discussions,its quite odd. I don't know why I am telling you this, but I get the feeling that the Jedi will not help us..."[/glow][/shadow]
The voice said something after Kross was finished,but he simply ignored it. Kross sat back and waited for the rest of the Jedi to speak. Kross decided he wouldn't say another word. He didn't want anyone to be influenced by his point of view, he simply wanted the Jedi to come to an understanding on there own....
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Post by Sana <X> Vaerok on Oct 25, 2005 12:52:37 GMT -5
Sana looked at Moroku and seemed to calculate and look him up and down. Plans were not for trying - that's why they were plans. The Jedi needed to create something that they could go by, even the Force itself is unifying and work towards harmony through Order. The Jedi Archivist may have been partial to the Living Force but he did not see how a spur of the moment idea would work. He would not let that one go, there was far too much at risk for the Jedi, the Republic, and the future...
[glow=blue,2,300]Master, surely you recognize the importance of being prepared? Would any of us go into a duel without having a battle plan for our opponent? And especially when our opponent is greater in strength than ourselves? This is not a matter or trying, it is a matter of looking our predicament through eyes the Jedi are accustomed to and known for: logical and perceptive eyes. We can not afford to simply let be when we have a clear moment to think and strategize. It may be many months and many thousands lost until we can have another opportunity like this one. I implore you, fellow Masters, to help generate a plan of action and to think with our minds. The Force will be with us, but it is our own responsibility to use our resources and strategy to get into an opportune position. That is our burden my friends.[/glow]
Sana peered through his eye's corner and noticed Kross even a little more shaky than before. He took it for his uncomfortable situation and barely thought more of it. He also noticed Tal's response to his answer and gave another:
Yerul has it and as to whether it could be used... Master Yoda could not even overcome Darth's Vader nor Sidious at his prime. I do not think it could be used to defeat these Dark Lords but it could certainly teach us tricks we could use to help our training and make us more in tune and powereful in the Force that we may present a greater challenge...
The Jedi Master awaited a response from his fellow Council members...
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Post by Talau on Oct 25, 2005 14:41:29 GMT -5
Frustrated at a lack of an answer to her question, Tal was ready to leave. How could they just ignore that question?! Their very FUTURE!
She barely noticed Sana's responce to her, and when she did she merely huffed in reply. She looked to Kross with eyes that told that she knew something of how he felt, but that it would be alright....they would reach a conclusion soon.....or so she hoped.
With that her mind turned back to their lack of interrest in the younglings.....
She stood and bowed to the council.
[glow=9999ff,2,300]If the Council will excuse me I have Important duties to attend to....like figuring out how to save our youth..... You have my opinion on the subject.
Is there any good reason why I should not leave?[/glow] Her words were calm, and easy, yet beneath them was a scalding reprimand for their lack of interrest.
after all....more than half of the jedi's numbers were younglings and padawans.
She stood there waiting for a responce.
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Post by Sana <X> Vaerok on Oct 25, 2005 14:58:02 GMT -5
Sanariel Blueskies caught Tal stand up and demand the Council's attention for the younglings. In all honesty he felt guilty... with all of their talk on Lorthias they had forgotten, if only for a moment, the most vulnerable among them. He looked at her with concern and kept his face disinterested and emotionless as he Forced messaged her so no one else could hear them...
Please do stay, I understand how much the children mean to you Tal and we will get to them. We are all just anxious to hear how we are going to defeat the boogieman... Please understand.
That girl really is some sort of firecracker... Sana thought secretly to himself and blinked his eyes with his return to full focus on the Council room...
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Post by AG on Oct 25, 2005 16:50:55 GMT -5
Moroku listened to his former Padawan once more. He was truly against the use of passiveness this time, but Moroku would never allow the Jedi to strand from their true path. He nodded to Talau on her way out to attend to the younglings and Padawans. Speaking of which, allowing the younger students to touch the Dark Side in order to counter the Darkness was wrong. If the other Councillors and Jedi in this room wouldn't understand very easily, then it was time to tell them why Moroku believed in this tactic, and perhaps then, they would understand. Moroku stood up to speak out to everyone around. His points would now have to be re-inforced, as if his opinion were a plant being put into a greenhouse to maximize its growth.
[shadow=green,left,000]Jedi Knights and Masters. You might wonder why I, Jedi Lightsaber instructor, proposes not to attack. well, during my slumber after the Battle of Coruscant, an old Jedi has spoken to me, one who has been an influential presence during the days of the Old Republic: Yoda. He has told me many things, but the most important of all is the essentially, evil is self-destructive. During the Great Sith War, the Jedi had no hope of defeating the Sith. They were lost, pushed into hiding and running for their lives, much like today. But through hiding and not fighting, the Sith's hatred turned upon itself. Feelings of rivalness and hunger for power turned out to be their undoing. The Sith turned upon each other to prove they are more powerful than their brethren, and they all wiped out each other in their numbers. The Sith fought the war for the Jedi, and the remaining ones were hunted down. Outnumbered, theywere doomed. Yoda has also taught me that fighting Sidious, evil and destruction in its physical form, was his fatal mistake. He believed a fight would bring Sidious down, but he found he was wrong. Destruction could not destroy it. It would only make things worst. Violence generates violence. Sidious was invincible when he fought Yoda. The key was not to fight. A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense. Never for attack. Yoda attacked. From the moment he unsheathed his lightsaber to punish Sidious, the battle had been already lost. He passed on this knowledge to Luke Skywalker, and through his will not to destroy the Sith, he won. Sidious lost his life, and Vader was redeemed. I believe that this method of countering the Sith will work. Lorthias is full of hatred, but if he cannot destroy us, his hatred will burn him down, and he will lose. My plan, as Sanariel here would name it, is to meet Lorthias and let him to the work for us.[/shadow]
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Post by Talau Firians on Oct 25, 2005 17:33:26 GMT -5
((yeah, being lazy))
Talau bristled as Moroku merely nodded and said nothing about how they should keep the younglings safe.
With a snap of her robes she left the room.
There is no point in my staying Sana....they don't give a care about how we should protect the younglings and padawans.....If I need to come back for any reason, let me know. she thought to him with an irritated edge to her thoughts.
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Post by SushiKnight on Oct 25, 2005 17:37:00 GMT -5
Listening to Moroku's words, Ushii could contain himself no longer.
"Master Moroku, how can you say these words? If we just roll over for the Sith, turn the proverbial cheek, we will most likely lose.
"The Sith will take world after world, enslaving or killing billions of innocent lives.
"Again, I hate to lecture, but look at the Mandalorian war - if Revan had not taken command of the Republic fleet, the civilisation we have protected for thousands of years would have died.
"And again, after the Jedi Civil War, if the Exile had not taken up the sword against the Sith Lords that stepped forward after the disappearance of Darth Revan, our Order would have been literally wiped out.
"It has been said before, that the Republic is naught but a shell for the Jedi; that it sustains and protects us. Also, we must sustain and protect the Republic. The Republic and the Jedi form a symbiotic circle, surely you must realize this.
"Acting agressively is the path to the Dark Side, of course, but agressively instigating a defense is never wrong. Can never be wrong.
"Coruscant has fallen. Though retaking it may not be integral to winning the war - that will undoubtably hinge on defeating Lorthias and the other Dark Lords - Retaking the centre of Galactic government will have a huge emotional impact on the citizens of the Republic. One that might ultimately win the war.
"If we, as Jedi, adopt a passive stance in this, I feel we will most assurdly be overrun. There is a time for peace, and a time for war.
"The line must be drawn here. Now. For years, we have run from the Sith, fighting only when attacked, only when cornered. We have run, and the Sith have only grown stronger. We have hidden, and they only claim more territory."
Ushii was in full swing now, his rhetoric taking him to the centre of the Council arena.
"Masters, I implore you. Whether or not you accept the teachings of Kross, do not back down once more. Do not give yet more ground to the Sith.
"If you do, I foresee great distruction upon us all. Not just the Jedi... but something terrible for the whole of the galaxy."
Ushii looked around him before finally realizing his place, and, knowing further words would be pointless, took his place once again behind Master Blueskies.
Though he did add, silently and to himself.
... and if they don't, I'll go to war myself...
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Post by Sana <X> Vaerok on Oct 25, 2005 18:03:33 GMT -5
Sana looked at Ushii while he spoke. The Jedi, as a more eccentric and youthful memebr of the Council (only 21) he knew what it meant to have spirit and energy still. He was a Living Force student after all. The Jedi Master smiled that Ushii had spoken at the meeting. He was young but he reminded Sana of Moroku. A proud and wise warrior. Ushii would do great things. What Sana did fear was what those things might be... He was still a little too impulsive - the Jedi was no longer Ushii's Master but more like an older brother. Sana could only hope Ushii wouldn't do anything rash...
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Post by AG on Oct 27, 2005 9:24:02 GMT -5
Throughtout the entire proceeding of theis reunion, Riko sat patiently, listening to the opinion of all the Jedi Masters in the room. And Riko was very surprised by how resilient Moroku was in his argument. It made perfect sense to Riko, or it would have had it been another time. The idea of passive resistance was a very wise one, more in tune with the ways of the Jedi and their ideas of peace over war, of creation over destruction. What Moroku was advising was to let the Dark Side rot on its own rather than make it rot away. This would have worked during Palpatine's days, but today was not Palpatine's day. Moroku was a wise Jedi, but he was a Jedi of history. It would be best to tell him the circumstances of the present.
[glow=blue,2,000]Master Taiemo, you have presented us a powerful argument here today, but it is not sufficient to stand away and let the Sith destroy themselves. For one thing, they are more united than during the Great Sith war. They have learned their mistakes since then. Secondly, their aim is to destroy the Force itself, to destroy the very existance of all sentient beings by destroying that which gives life itself. They are too powerful for all of us to just simply defend ourselves. We have to act, Moroku. We have to do something. They will learned techniques of the Dark Side, yes. That is why I am here. I am a master of Vaapad, and I can teach the students of Caleb and Kross to withstand the temptation of the Dark Side like I have. I wouldn't have accepted this in the days of peace, but times have changed, Moroku, ever since Palpatine was destroyed. Today is a day of action. I believe we have been given a Clone Army for a reason, Moroku, and that reason is to fight with it. Who gave it to us will be discovered later on. For now, I believe we must follow Kross's plan and learn everything he has to teach us.[/glow]
Having finished, Riko looked around the room to watch the expressions of all the other Jedi in this meeting, awaiting for their responses. Moroku may have been wise, but sometimes there had to be exceptions to the Jedi way, and this was one such occasion where there had to be an exception. There desperately needed to be one.
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Post by CharmedOne on Oct 27, 2005 9:34:01 GMT -5
Danse was sitting down in her corner of the council meeting. She had left Sean outside just for the heck of it and was keeping tabs on him through the force. The meeting was interesting...she herself had to agree with Riko
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Post by AG on Oct 27, 2005 9:56:01 GMT -5
It seemed that even the Senior Member of the Jedi Council disagreed with Moroku, but the Jedi Master and Lightsaber instructor could do nothing at this point. His argument seemed to have failed here and now. Perhaps Riko was right. If the Jedi stood down, the very life on which their existance depended on would be taken away, as if water would cease to exist. Something more radical had to be done. And quickly. Moroku may have disagreed, but there was nothing more he could do.
[shadow=green,left,000]Very well, Master Fultyre. You are correct, but just remember that I do not agree with this point of view.[/shadow]
Moroku bent his head down to Master Fultyre, and took his seat next to Sanariel again, letting the rest of the discussion continue in its way.
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Post by CharmedOne on Oct 27, 2005 10:10:11 GMT -5
Danse felt the disappointment in Moroku and stood up:
Is there a way there can be a cmpromise to both Riko's and Moroku's suggestions?
Danse didn't like conflict and liked tp be fair to everyone...she had that type of nautre to try and make everyone feel important and unsful.
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Post by Talau on Oct 27, 2005 13:10:00 GMT -5
Danse....this is what I have been trying to tell them...but they wont listen to me....I hope you have better luck. If you want to speak to me I am with the younglings....as you saw, I just left. Tal thought to Danse. Just because she wasn't physically in the meeting didn't mean she didn't know what was going on.
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Post by Blood Bather on Oct 27, 2005 15:23:43 GMT -5
OOC: Just to let you know AG, there's really no possible way that anyone other than Lorthias and Kel'zhur know that his intentions are to destroy the force itself, unless Riko was simply theorizing.
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Post by AG on Oct 27, 2005 15:36:01 GMT -5
OOC: Riko's making assumptions here. Hope that's alright. If not, I can edit.
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Post by Blood Bather on Oct 27, 2005 15:43:08 GMT -5
OOC: Oh, alright. That's cool.
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Post by |[JK]| on Oct 27, 2005 20:39:46 GMT -5
Destroy the Force? The Chancellor's mind swam with thoughts that had never occurred to him. How this war was more personal to the Jedi, all of their history they defended the Republic only to be beaten away from home to home. Planet to planet, all in the name of the Republic that had turned their back on the Jedi time and again.
'Master Jedi, time and time again the Republic stood motionless as you, the Jedi, our great protectors, fought to save what peace we can hold on to. Over the years you have lost one home after another, now I offer you one last home. This home can never be taken from you by any horde of Sith of any nature. I offer the Republic to be more than a state of being for you to protect, but a place you can call your own. Too long have the Jedi turned only to find themselves alone and outmatched.' he took a deep breath, 'It is clear to me now that this current body and state is no longer capable of proper and appropriate action. After recent events I am moving the Republic into full state of War.'
He glanced in the direction of the two Jedi, Ushi and Moroku, who had been eager for battle. 'In this battle you will no longer be alone, your enemies are now our enemies and we will meet them in Forest, land, water, sea and Space. Where the Jedi Fight, where the Sith fight, there too will the Republic fight.' He pressed a button on his data pad that would signal to his attendant to schedule a meeting in the future. He would have to speak to Jedi Knight Ushii on his opinion of how to press forward.
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Post by AG on Oct 28, 2005 1:41:37 GMT -5
OOC: Moroku's not eager on battle. In fact, it's the exact opposite. I think you meant Riko.
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